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Re: Event Tracking

Post by Suzume Senseki » Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:52 pm

Moto Mitsuki wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:11 pm
Honestly?

I wouldn't be against just writing off the duelling event and not distributing points at all for it.

Everyone struggled with the rules. They were interpreted differently all over the place (clothes, initiative, incapacitated, number of allowed strikes, etc.), in great part due to FFG (both in terms of pure rulings and of terrible book layout) and in small part from Saibankan having been a bit light when setting the framework for these duels in particular. Several duels didn't even complete in time. Some people skipped it not so much because they didn't want to partake in it than because they weren't ready to face that madness just for a few points.

I know all events are fundamentally purely random. But this one was more random than most.
This might be something worth asking Sai about :)
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Re: Event Tracking

Post by Kitsu Moshumaru » Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:51 pm

Moto Mitsuki wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:11 pm
Honestly?

I wouldn't be against just writing off the duelling event and not distributing points at all for it.

Everyone struggled with the rules. They were interpreted differently all over the place (clothes, initiative, incapacitated, number of allowed strikes, etc.), in great part due to FFG (both in terms of pure rulings and of terrible book layout) and in small part from Saibankan having been a bit light when setting the framework for these duels in particular. Several duels didn't even complete in time. Some people skipped it not so much because they didn't want to partake in it than because they weren't ready to face that madness just for a few points.

I know all events are fundamentally purely random. But this one was more random than most.
Honestly I'd be for writing off duelling as a requirement in future events, but I don't feel it would be fair to those people who built and planned around the duelling event if we simply eroded it's worth as an event to nothing.

Hopefully, I'll have my prototype alternative ready for post-game to present as a more PBP friendly future alternative.
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Re: Event Tracking

Post by Shiba Raizo » Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:05 pm

I dunno, random would be an excuse for me to whine about how much Sakkaku has HATED on Raizo in events :lol:

That said, these duels were an absolute mess...
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Re: Event Tracking

Post by Moto Mitsuki » Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:15 pm

Shiba Raizo wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:05 pm
I dunno, random would be an excuse for me to whine about how much Sakkaku has HATED on Raizo in events :lol:
Also, Raizo, just wondering...

You realize you can use Way of the Phoenix on yourself right? You are a character at range 0-3 of yourself.

(yeah, I know, FFG could just have written "range 1-3 or yourself", or "including yourself", but apparently there wasn't enough space on the page)
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Re: Event Tracking

Post by Shiba Raizo » Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:17 pm

Yep, but strife really hasn't been the problem. It's been the goddamn "HAHA, SUCCESSES ARE FOR OTHER PEOPLE!"

And Fatigue was my way to escape that fucking nightmare of a duel :lol:
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Re: Event Tracking

Post by Suzume Senseki » Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:44 pm

Kitsu Moshumaru wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:51 pm
Moto Mitsuki wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:11 pm
Honestly?

I wouldn't be against just writing off the duelling event and not distributing points at all for it.

Everyone struggled with the rules. They were interpreted differently all over the place (clothes, initiative, incapacitated, number of allowed strikes, etc.), in great part due to FFG (both in terms of pure rulings and of terrible book layout) and in small part from Saibankan having been a bit light when setting the framework for these duels in particular. Several duels didn't even complete in time. Some people skipped it not so much because they didn't want to partake in it than because they weren't ready to face that madness just for a few points.

I know all events are fundamentally purely random. But this one was more random than most.
Honestly I'd be for writing off duelling as a requirement in future events, but I don't feel it would be fair to those people who built and planned around the duelling event if we simply eroded it's worth as an event to nothing.

Hopefully, I'll have my prototype alternative ready for post-game to present as a more PBP friendly future alternative.
As I mentioned on Discord, I'm also considering running some tests with some others with some possible rule changes and the original rules to get a better hang of things and test some possible changes. Much closer to the base rules than Moshu's version though. I assume different games may use use different options.
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Not a penny to his name * A simple life is a good life * Life is sacred * The truth is always simple

Status: 25 * Glory: 31 * Honour: Is the ideal * CP: 27
Carries: Common clothes, Wicker hat, Daisho, Knife, Sling, Daisho (as allowed), Medicine Kit, Pillow books.
In the field: Ashigaru armour, Wicker hat, Daisho, Sling, Knife, Bo, Hunting Yari, Travelling pack, Rations, Pillow books.

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Re: Event Tracking

Post by Moto Mitsuki » Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:10 pm

Ah ah. I have my own draft too, though it mostly boils down to "changing the scoring system so that first strike duel actually enforces a single strike".
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Re: Event Tracking

Post by Kitsu Moshumaru » Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:13 pm

Perhaps in post game we should make a thread about it?
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Re: Event Tracking

Post by Suzume Senseki » Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:01 pm

Kitsu Moshumaru wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:13 pm
Perhaps in post game we should make a thread about it?
Sounds like an idea!
Moto Mitsuki wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:10 pm
Ah ah. I have my own draft too, though it mostly boils down to "changing the scoring system so that first strike duel actually enforces a single strike".
And that's something I was thinking about, although I kinda like an idea Sai had too.

And... well, I'd like to try the actual rules, maybe changing some things here and there only, just writing down exactly what a "strike" means in Iai duels so that only strikes with criticals are actual strikes.

As I said, there are some options to try out!
Sparrow Clan * Woodsman * Herbalist * Wicker hat * Disheveled hair * Clothes never fully clean
Not a penny to his name * A simple life is a good life * Life is sacred * The truth is always simple

Status: 25 * Glory: 31 * Honour: Is the ideal * CP: 27
Carries: Common clothes, Wicker hat, Daisho, Knife, Sling, Daisho (as allowed), Medicine Kit, Pillow books.
In the field: Ashigaru armour, Wicker hat, Daisho, Sling, Knife, Bo, Hunting Yari, Travelling pack, Rations, Pillow books.

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Re: Event Tracking

Post by Suzume Senseki » Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:48 am

And what should be the last one! :)

Love among the stars

I'm Classfying the results as
All rolls => All
Passed Theology, failed 1 => Th-1
Culture/Aesth, failed theo => P2-T
culture or Aesthetics, failed theo => P1-T
Passed ONLY theology => T-2
Failed all => None

T-2 and None may NOT be different in terms of points, but assuming they are for now. So...
All > Th-1 > P2-T > P1-T > (T-2 > None, I'm guessing. But they may be equal!)

Within each one, total successes, then opps for flair (=to show off) are tie-breakers, then Status, Glory and Honour

Last recorded: Agasha Inoshishi
Participants 23 so far (and I think that's it!)
7A, 8B, 8C

A1 Asahina Soyokaze: All/11/1/38/41/67
A2 Kitsu Murato: All/11/0/45/44/59
A3 Seppun Yuzu: All/10/1/50/31/55
A4 Kuni Yasu: All/6/3/30/44/46
A5 Agasha Inoshishi: All/6/1/30/?/?

A6 Bayushi Mitsu Th-1/11/2/35/46/30
A7 Shika Nesshin: Th-1/7/1/41/42/36
B1 Kitsu Moshumaru: Th-1/7/1/35/41/51
B2 Matsu Ishioka: Th-1/6/7/35/51/61
B3 Suzume Senseki: Th-1/6/5/25/31/56

B4 Shiba Raizo: P2-T/5/3/30/41/42
B5 Moto Mitsuki: P2-T/4/4/30/47/31
B6 Kasuga Yoshi: P2-T/4/3/25/27/25
B7 Kaikoga Koi: P2-T/4/1/28/44/49
B8 Kitsuki Hajime: P2-T/3/0/30/44/52

C1 Susaki Tanabe: P1-T/2/3/22/35/49

C2 Kitsuki Edogawa: T-2/4/3/30/51/54
C3 Shosuro Hikimasu: T-2/3/2/35/44/41

C4 Asahina Bo: None/3/3/35/37/67
C5 Kaito Oubaihime: None/3/2/?/?/?
C6 Moshi Shizuka: None/2/3/30/45/60
C7 Usogawa Narumi: None/2/3/22/40/27
C8 Usogawa Emiko: None/2/0/?/?/?
Sparrow Clan * Woodsman * Herbalist * Wicker hat * Disheveled hair * Clothes never fully clean
Not a penny to his name * A simple life is a good life * Life is sacred * The truth is always simple

Status: 25 * Glory: 31 * Honour: Is the ideal * CP: 27
Carries: Common clothes, Wicker hat, Daisho, Knife, Sling, Daisho (as allowed), Medicine Kit, Pillow books.
In the field: Ashigaru armour, Wicker hat, Daisho, Sling, Knife, Bo, Hunting Yari, Travelling pack, Rations, Pillow books.

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